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William T. Vollmann » 2 Characters Download ´ PDF, DOC, TXT, eBook or Kindle ePUB free » William T. Vollmann Rising Up and Rising Down Summary ´ 102 Which would make it clear when it was acceptable to kill how many could be killed and so forth' Vollmann has consulted hundreds of sources scrutinizing the thinking of philosophers theologians tyrants warlords military strategists activists and pacifists He has visited than a dozen countries and war zones to witness violence firsthand sometimes barely escaping with his life The result is a deeply personal book full of insight that is a major publishing event hailed by Zembla magazine as possibly 'the most ambitious literary project ever'. Note This review was written about 7 years ago on another website I m just copying and pasting it here so that it can live with my modern reviews The reviews on this website were supposed to be consumer friendly and help people make educated decisions about buying products maybe that explains some of the awkwardness here The voting system on that site also forced me to stay on topic than I grown used to writing here on goodreadscomA couple of years ago William Vollmann released this book in a beautiful unabridged version It was 7 volumes and over 3300 pages I wanted the book I had a set in my hands and the decision between eating for the next month or getting the book was a tough one but physical survival won out Now Harper Collins has released a very abridged paperback version of the book Clocking in at 700 pages this is less than a uarter of the original and only served to whet my appetite for the now even expensive original version What is this book aboutViolence When is it justified to use violence as a means for an end When is it unjustified What are the different reasons people have resorted to violence Are there times when non violence is unjustified Violence in it s many facets from the atrocities of Hitler and Stalin to the oh to mundane everyday gangs that urbane places deal with Why would one want to read this book or Why would I not really I the person writing the review but I guess presumptuously I the reader as if I could speak for you want to read this book I don t know I loved the book I thought that the book was fascinating on two separate accounts The first half of the book reads as a history of violence A very well written history novel told with an attempt to fully flesh out the motives behind some of the troubling moments of history but written with a novelist s eye for language The second half of the book is a series of case studies or rather first person reports from some of the worst regions in our Modern World From his descriptions of being holed up in a youth hostel on the border between Croatia and Serbia to visiting the Killing Fields of Cambodia and walking through the no man land in a gang warfare Jamaican city Vollmann writes with a sense that brings the reader right with him to this unimaginable places In these horrific places he meets the people living out these unfortunate moments of history and tries to answer the why the violence is going on from both sides The sympathy of the reader moves from one group to another atrocities abound and in the end of almost all the case studies the reader is facing one of the only possible truths of violence that it s incomprehensible and obliue the closer you get to it The clear cut answers disappear and the victims and executors switch sides till justifications become almost meaningless But still Vollmann entices the reader to ask the big uestions of why Will reading this book make me a happier personNo Pessimism will most likely abound Sorry But are there pictures I like picturesYes there is a series of pictures entitled If Everyone Hates Violence Why do These People Look So Happy or something like that A series of portraits of people and their weapons mostly looking uite happy It s an interesting point of the book that sums up the slightly disturbing elements present Vollmann doesn t take the high road and outright condemn violence He admits to his own ownership of many guns and that he carries guns on him even when he s home to guarantee his safety Yeah but if there s pictures of people with guns is Ted Nugent in any of them I like the NugeYes he s there smiling with his son So is this right wing NRA nonsenseNo LiberalNope not liberal either It s one of the few books dealing with a topic like this that I have ever read that is really achieves a high level of objectivity Vollmann seems genuinely concerned to see all the sides to any of the situations he looks atSo anyway this is me speaking not me pretending I m the reader this book is an incredible piece of work The writing is stunning the subject matter incredibly engaging and even if you re not that interested in violence per se it s a wonderful overview of the history of the world seen through the lens of War but a lot of history really is about war From the Ancient Greeks to contemporary Conflicts Vollmann immerses himself and the reader in the situations and the result is a truly great piece of literature His Mistletoe Bride escaping with his life The result is a deeply personal book full of insight that is a major publishing Octopussy and The Living Daylights ever'. Note This review was written about 7 years ago on another website I m just copying and pasting it here so that it can live with my modern reviews The reviews on this website were supposed to be consumer friendly and help people make Octopussy educated decisions about buying products maybe that Fifth Avenue Uptown Tale Blazers explains some of the awkwardness here The voting system on that site also forced me to stay on topic than I grown used to writing here on goodreadscomA couple of years ago William Vollmann released this book in a beautiful unabridged version It was 7 volumes and over 3300 pages I wanted the book I had a set in my hands and the decision between Power Engineering eating for the next month or getting the book was a tough one but physical survival won out Now Harper Collins has released a very abridged paperback version of the book Clocking in at 700 pages this is less than a uarter of the original and only served to whet my appetite for the now The Outlander Series OutlanderDragonfly in AmberVoyagerDrums of AutumnThe Fiery CrossA Breath of Snow and AshesAn Echo in the Bone even ФМ expensive original version What is this book aboutViolence When is it justified to use violence as a means for an 世界の終りとハードボイルド・ワンダーランド Sekai no owari to hādoboirudo wandārando end When is it unjustified What are the different reasons people have resorted to violence Are there times when non violence is unjustified Violence in it s many facets from the atrocities of Hitler and Stalin to the oh to mundane Crome Yellow everyday gangs that urbane places deal with Why would one want to read this book or Why would I not really I the person writing the review but I guess presumptuously I the reader as if I could speak for you want to read this book I don t know I loved the book I thought that the book was fascinating on two separate accounts The first half of the book reads as a history of violence A very well written history novel told with an attempt to fully flesh out the motives behind some of the troubling moments of history but written with a novelist s The Story Within eye for language The second half of the book is a series of case studies or rather first person reports from some of the worst regions in our Modern World From his descriptions of being holed up in a youth hostel on the border between Croatia and Serbia to visiting the Killing Fields of Cambodia and walking through the no man land in a gang warfare Jamaican city Vollmann writes with a sense that brings the reader right with him to this unimaginable places In these horrific places he meets the people living out these unfortunate moments of history and tries to answer the why the violence is going on from both sides The sympathy of the reader moves from one group to another atrocities abound and in the Küsse niemals einen Filmstar Liebe nach Drehschluss 2 end of almost all the case studies the reader is facing one of the only possible truths of violence that it s incomprehensible and obliue the closer you get to it The clear cut answers disappear and the victims and Bloody Bones executors switch sides till justifications become almost meaningless But still Vollmann The Father Christmas Letters entices the reader to ask the big uestions of why Will reading this book make me a happier personNo Pessimism will most likely abound Sorry But are there pictures I like picturesYes there is a series of pictures Mr Majeika and the Dinner Lady Young Puffin Books entitled If Everyone Hates Violence Why do These People Look So Happy or something like that A series of portraits of people and their weapons mostly looking uite happy It s an interesting point of the book that sums up the slightly disturbing Lions of Lingmere Journey to Freedom Bk 1 Lions of Lingmere elements present Vollmann doesn t take the high road and outright condemn violence He admits to his own ownership of many guns and that he carries guns on him Hostile and Malignant Prejudice either It s one of the few books dealing with a topic like this that I have Monster ever read that is really achieves a high level of objectivity Vollmann seems genuinely concerned to see all the sides to any of the situations he looks atSo anyway this is me speaking not me pretending I m the reader this book is an incredible piece of work The writing is stunning the subject matter incredibly Angels' Blood engaging and Fault Line even if you re not that interested in violence per se it s a wonderful overview of the history of the world seen through the lens of War but a lot of history really is about war From the Ancient Greeks to contemporary Conflicts Vollmann immerses himself and the reader in the situations and the result is a truly great piece of literature

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William T. Vollmann » 2 Characters Download ´ PDF, DOC, TXT, eBook or Kindle ePUB free » William T. Vollmann Rising Up and Rising Down Summary ´ 102 The authorized abridged edition of the 3000 page seven volume magnum opus which was nominated for the US National Book Critic's Circle Award The LA Times has said of Vollmann 'He has an uncompromising intelligence that will change the way you think about all of history' In this book a labour of twenty three years Vollmann will change the way you think about violence Vollmann brings to this subject compelling logic knowledge research and authentic experience His research is legendary He has immersed himself in the hazardous worlds he cover. Rising Up and Rising Down is correctly compared to Gibbon s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire At least so today in one hundred years who can say Both are massive multi volume works which intimidate in their physical presences Both have a very short simple uestion in mind to address When is violence justified Why did the Roman Empire fall Neither uestion is easy to answer Both works are intensely erudite both authors very much attending to the manner in which the words go down upon the page Here s a difference Vollmann recognizes the likely failure of his work recognizes that despite the aspiration to a universally valid calculus his moral calculus can only be limited to the best he can do Gibbon s work was definitive at the time and he didn t take humbly to his detractors cf his Vindication Rising Up and Rising Down is a 3300 page opus twenty years in the writing Vollmann began writing in 1982 when he journeyed to Afghanistan to see what he could do to help the Afghani s defend themselves against Soviet aggression the product of that journey and what may be understood as Volume 05 of RURD is An Afghanistan Picture Show the adolescent beginnings of RURD being a confession of utter failure to save the world The unpublishable RURD was or less completed by 1997 but a few years later in what will likely count as his most heroic decision as a publisher Dave Eggers scratched out some numbers and committed to publish RURD in 2003 Some updating some fact checking and unfortunately inadeuate copy editing RURD saw the light of day in the form of 3500 beautifully bound exemplars at US120 each today several times on the second hand market Here too a contrast with Gibbon s work while Decline and Fall s first volume experienced six editions between 1776 and 1789 RURD exists in a single first edition readership has changed over the centuriesNot uite true Vollmann produced an abridged edition of RURD for Ecco Press in 2004 which even went into paperback for the money and so that at least some folks might actually read it The abridgment is both fortunate and unfortunate Fortunate simply for having some of this massive work widely and affordably available but most unfortunate because it cannot but obscure the narrative and argumentative threads of the complete treatise For instance the abridgment contains the complete Moral Calculus available HERE thanks to Friend Hadrian s efforts in the form of summary propositions intricately and logically organized complete with definitions and such but the propositions themselves are barren when removed from the context out of which Vollmann has developed them One is left with a merely shallow understanding of how each element of the Calculus is intended to operate the life blood of the system of justifications and what is the moral but our very life blood is mostly drained leaving us with only a handful of examples of his methodology Too the second half of RURD the Studies in Conseuences which occupy volumes V and VI is reduced to fewer than 200 pages and this later half of the complete work is where Vollmann the journalist is most roundly represented More on that But meanwhile and until McSweeney s works up a second edition in some form any form most readers are left with the choice of an unsatisfying abridgment or hoping for the fortune of having an adeuate library in the vicinity A word about justification Some readers and reviewers seem suspicious about Vollmann s project of justifying violence of asking when violence might be justifiable Let me be clear if we are moral actors and some neo Nietzscheans might deny that we are then we are concerned with whether our actions are right or wrong if our actions are justified we are right if not not In the alternative that is to say if we are not moral actors there is no uestion about justifications my might makes me right The moral uestion about our actions is always threatened with expediency we do it because it works I get what I want no uestion whether it is right or wrong justified or not justified But if we believe that what we do and why we do it matters then we are concerned with moral uestions and we are concerned with justifiability what is it about my actions and motives which make this action a right action and that one a wrong action Many of us citizens of democratic societies are concerned about the uestion whether our governments are acting morally or whether they are merely pursuing raw self interest and aggrandizement of power covered over with moral sounding platitudes we are asking whether our governments actions against AfghanistanIraSyriaETC are morally justified or simply expedient And the burden of proof is always on the moral actor even upon submitting a course of action to the analytic knife of the Moral Calculus a suspicion continues to haunt any such justified violent action there is no moral compunction to commit any specific act there is not Demand but rather a limitation With something like the Moral Calculus at hand we have some advantage for distinguishing between self defense justified and mere self interest justified or not dependingBeyond the rights of lonely atoms justification of violence becomes by no means straight forward A few of Vollmann s beginning points which should indicate that the Moral Calculus which would justify acts of violence is non expansive The Empath s Golden Rule Do unto others not only as you would be done by but also as they would be done by In the case of any variance do the generous thing The First Law of Violent Action The inertia of the situation into which we inject ourselves must always be given the benefit of the doubt Look before you leap which can be restated Assume any potential victim of your violence to be as worthy of self preservation as yourself until that assumption has been disproven by the remainder of your moral calculus The Rights of the Self To violently defend itself or not To violently defend another or not To destroy itself or preserve itself To violently destroy another who would be better off dead To violently defend its property or not Violence is Justified 1 In legitimate self defense or the defense of other human beings against imminent physical harm legitimate and imminence both reuire definition 2 In defense of individual rights see above 3 In defense of self respect 4 In construction or maintenance of legitimate institutional authority 5 In obedience to legitimate authority provided only that there is ethical commonality between the giver of the orders and one who is ordered and that the indications in 1 and 2 apply 6 When a number of categories of self defense can be legitimately invoked The conditions in this section satisfied the better 7 In defense of proportionality 8 In imminent defense of freedom of speechConsider the foregoing a rough sketch of the principles from which Vollmann begins his investigations Also note his precaution against justifiability When one commits violence it is likely that it will be unjustified than justified Therefore I would advise that if an act seems by the rules of section 6 When is violence unjustified to be classified as evil it should be treated as suspect at best On the other hand if the act seems to obey all the rules for justification listed in section 5 When is violence justified from which my extracts just above it should be treated as somewhat less suspect At its most noble an act which passes all the tests of section five can only be said to tend toward being justified Since these rules necessarily remain vague and their interpretation open to opinion no one test is sure and 516 the categories of self defense invoked the better should be kept in mind For the entire Moral Calculus please see Friend Hadrian again HEREFor the remainder of this review I d like to simply indicate what is contained within the unabridged RURD For despite having been a Vollmanniac for a few years now I had little understanding of what exactly was going on in this most legendary of his books I would like to think that by providing my own version of a table of contents I might entice a few other folks to seek out by hook or by crook an opportunity to visit this book in its seven volume glory even if only to create one s own abridgment Broadly speaking the book is divided in half Justifications volumes II IV and Studies in Conseuences volumes V and VI The second half is what I am keen on pressing into your hands because it is explicitly the kind of thing which only Vollmann does and wherein one will find several of the Vollmann legends fully written up such as the story of his purchaserescue of an underage prostitute in Thailand whereas the first half is the kind of historico ethical study which could be taken up by anyone interested in the uestion in generalVolume ITwo introductory pieces Three Meditations on Death and Introduction The Days of the NiblungsDefinitions for Lonely Atoms contains six essays On the Aesthetics of Weapons On the Morality of Weapons Where Do My Rights End Where Do My Rights Begin Where Do Your Rights Begin Means and EndsJustifications volumes II through IVIn each of the following chapters Vollmann undertakes to examine when violence may or may not be justified in defense of some principle or interest He engages each topic in relation to one or moral actors often historical characters such as Lincoln Trotsky Caesar Napoleon John Brown When is violence justified or unjustified in relation to Section I Self Defense Defense of HonorDefense of ClassDefense of AuthorityDefense of Race and CultureDefense of CreedDefense of War AimsDefense of HomelandDefense of GroundDefense of the EarthDefense of AnimalsDefense of GenderDefense against TraitorsDefense of RevolutionSection II Policy and ChoiceDeterrence Retribution and RevengePunishmentLoyalty Compulsion and FearSadism and ExpediencySadism Masochism and PleasureSection II FateMoral YellownessInevitabilityEvaluationsFour Safeguards 1 Make sure you are justified in as many of the above categories as possible 2 Render your cause attractive to as many diverse participants as possible 3 Combine experience and theory 4 Acknowledge context carefullyRemember the VictimStudies in Conseuences These case studies have a uestionable vague or accidental relationship with the first half of RURD Despite what one may expect Vollmann does not employ his Moral Calculus to evaluate the moral actors in these case studies Rather he is seeking to understand what if any moral calculus these moral actors may possess when do they believe violence justified These twelve hundred pages showcase Vollmann The Journalist listening to his subjects and bringing them to voice he is here not the armchair ethicist whom we saw in the first half of RURD Of all of RURD these two volumes most deserve a second edition Southeast Asia 1991 2000 The Skulls on the Shelves Vollmann attempts to contact and interview Pol Pot background to his novel The Butterfly Boy The Last Generation and Kickin It Cambodian American both investigate Cambodian youth gangs in California When is violence justified A When someone fuck us up I m Especially Interested in Young Girls Thailand The legendary story of Vollmann and his friend Ken purchasingrescuing an underage prostitute He still owns her even has a receipt from dad But What Are We To Do Burma Bill seeks finds and interviews Khun Sa The Opium King and leader of a Shan separatist movement Yet another piece of geo political history about which I knew nothing Yakuza Lives Japan Are the Yakuza evil Europe 1992 1994 1998Three essays about former Yugoslavia Included here is the incident which cost the lives of two of Bill s journalist friends with he himself escaping by some inexplicable motion of luck Where are All the Pretty Girls The War Never Came Here The Avengers of Kosovo I have never understood what happened in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990 s I am only slightly comforted by the fact the Bill has not been able to make sense of it either Africa 1993 2001 The Jealous Ones Madagascar Special Tax Republic of Congo Democratic Republic of CongoVollmann says that his portrait of Africa would have looked very different had he been sent to different countries As it is he was sent to these two countries These two essays may be the point at which Bill finds himself most deeply in despair They are harrowing stories The Muslim World 1994 2002 Let Me Know if You re Scared Somalia Vollmann accompanies military on missions to disarm militants and to provide safe passage for humanitarian aid We are soldiers not police The Old Man Malaysia Vollmann tracks down and interviews Hadji Amin leader of PULO Vollmann is the only journalist to have interviewed him Do you know who Hadji Amin or PULO is The Wet Man Is Not Afraid of Rain Ira This is 1998 and the effects of UNUS sanctions would appear to me eyes to be a war crime With Their Hands on Their Hearts Afghanistan This is 2000 We need Americans to have the love respect and understanding of Islam which Bill has Everybody Likes Americans Yemen September 11 2002 No not many like Americans Given Bill s love for the followers of Islam this is a painful essay In fact it is very important to find out why they hate us but we can only do that if we learn to speak and be heard rather than to continue to shout deafen and kill North America 1988 2000 Laughing At All Her Enemies USA Amerindian suicide You Gotta Be A Hundred Percent Right USA The Guardian Angels a citizen s anti crime patrol organization with no money and which practices citizens arrest Whack Em and Stack Em USA A portrait of Ted Nugent the only celebrity Bill s interviewed Dey Bring Dem Bloodstain Up Here Jamaica Violence in the Kingston ghettos Murder for Sale USA Reluctantly Bill covers the Columbine massacre and then too the NRA convention is in town an excellent analysis of vultures Guns in the USA Want to know why Vollmann is a gun nut South America 1999 2000 You Never Know Who is Who Columbia Papa s Children ColumbiaThese two essays are almost as harrowing and despairing as the two from AfricaPerception and Irrationality Nightmares Prayers and Ecstasies USA Can the irrationality of religion function as a bulwark against the irrationality of violence Bill investigates voodoo hoodoo and santaria Off the Grid USA Right wingers in Idaho and Montana Some despicable creatures here but are they harming anyone Thick Blood Japan The Untouchables desire eual rightsShall we characterize Vollmann s journalistic work It is like no other His uestions tend to not receive informative answers He interviews whom we can He reports to us what they say preserving even the broken English of his translators this is the respect for voice which I ve spoken of previously in regard to Fathers and Crows His reports are not definitive characterizations of anything Many essays are merely reports of his failures his difficulties This is humble work It is work which has taken him to places many of us didn t even know existed It is a collection essential for understanding William T VollmannWho should read Rising Up and Rising Down War mongers and peace niks journalists ethicists and philosophers CITIZENS politicians goodreaders Vollmanniacs and assorted detritus of societies You Bright and Risen Angels proofing editing and perhaps later but isn t this enoughAnd as always I d like to thank Friend Brian Dice for making it possible for me to read the entire seven volumes many years before I thought I d have the opportunity Thank you BrianGarth Risk Hallberg on RURD from his Year in Reading reportI did something crazy this year I blew half of a freelancing check on the complete seven volume edition of William T Vollmann s 3000 page essay on violence Rising Up and Rising Down What can I say It was either that or diapers for my children I remain deeply conflicted about my fascination with Vollmann I know there s an obvious case to be made that he s not a good writer I also think he might be a great one To my surprise given its length RURD is one of his carefully crafted books In its learned monomania it reminds me of Burton s Anatomy of Melancholy To a contemporary audience its style of argumentation may feel bizarre I keep thinking of an archaeologist sitting at a table sweeping a pile of sand from one hand to the other waiting for artifacts to emerge in the middle But when Vollmann arrives after many divagations at a point you don t feel like you understand you feel like you ve lived it For this reason I cannot imagine the 700 page abridged version making any sense at all And if Violence seems like too broad a subject consider this it s a head fake The essay s really about EverythingOr so it seems to me at present I m only two volumes in RURD is destined probably to join The Book of Disuiet and The Arcades Project and The Making of Americans as one of those books I read and read and never finish But I m grateful to the weird pressure of A Year in Reading for giving me the impetus to start The Glamorous Double Life of Isabel Bookbinder edition of the 3000 page seven volume magnum opus which was nominated for the US National Book Critic's Circle Award The LA Times has said of Vollmann 'He has an uncompromising intelligence that will change the way you think about all of history' In this book a labour of twenty three years Vollmann will change the way you think about violence Vollmann brings to this subject compelling logic knowledge research and authentic Sanctuary experience His research is legendary He has immersed himself in the hazardous worlds he cover. Rising Up and Rising Down is correctly compared to Gibbon s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire At least so today in one hundred years who can say Both are massive multi volume works which intimidate in their physical presences Both have a very short simple uestion in mind to address When is violence justified Why did the Roman Empire fall Neither uestion is Adventures of Sindbad easy to answer Both works are intensely Patriots and Partisans erudite both authors very much attending to the manner in which the words go down upon the page Here s a difference Vollmann recognizes the likely failure of his work recognizes that despite the aspiration to a universally valid calculus his moral calculus can only be limited to the best he can do Gibbon s work was definitive at the time and he didn t take humbly to his detractors cf his Vindication Rising Up and Rising Down is a 3300 page opus twenty years in the writing Vollmann began writing in 1982 when he journeyed to Afghanistan to see what he could do to help the Afghani s defend themselves against Soviet aggression the product of that journey and what may be understood as Volume 05 of RURD is An Afghanistan Picture Show the adolescent beginnings of RURD being a confession of utter failure to save the world The unpublishable RURD was or less completed by 1997 but a few years later in what will likely count as his most heroic decision as a publisher Dave Eggers scratched out some numbers and committed to publish RURD in 2003 Some updating some fact checking and unfortunately inadeuate copy The Rhythm of Riddles editing RURD saw the light of day in the form of 3500 beautifully bound Bhava exemplars at US120 A Nomad of the Time Streams A Scientific Romance each today several times on the second hand market Here too a contrast with Gibbon s work while Decline and Fall s first volume What Makes Women Happy experienced six The Burning Boys editions between 1776 and 1789 RURD Insomnia exists in a single first Disuiet Heart A Thriller edition readership has changed over the centuriesNot uite true Vollmann produced an abridged Die unendliche Geschichte edition of RURD for Ecco Press in 2004 which Did the Earth Move? even went into paperback for the money and so that at least some folks might actually read it The abridgment is both fortunate and unfortunate Fortunate simply for having some of this massive work widely and affordably available but most unfortunate because it cannot but obscure the narrative and argumentative threads of the complete treatise For instance the abridgment contains the complete Moral Calculus available HERE thanks to Friend Hadrian s Von allem Anfang an efforts in the form of summary propositions intricately and logically organized complete with definitions and such but the propositions themselves are barren when removed from the context out of which Vollmann has developed them One is left with a merely shallow understanding of how The Unknown Bridesmaid each Miss Mackenzie element of the Calculus is intended to operate the life blood of the system of justifications and what is the moral but our very life blood is mostly drained leaving us with only a handful of Safe with Him Safe #2 examples of his methodology Too the second half of RURD the Studies in Conseuences which occupy volumes V and VI is reduced to fewer than 200 pages and this later half of the complete work is where Vollmann the journalist is most roundly represented More on that But meanwhile and until McSweeney s works up a second The Divine Feminine The Biblical Imagery of God As Female expediency we do it because it works I get what I want no uestion whether it is right or wrong justified or not justified But if we believe that what we do and why we do it matters then we are concerned with moral uestions and we are concerned with justifiability what is it about my actions and motives which make this action a right action and that one a wrong action Many of us citizens of democratic societies are concerned about the uestion whether our governments are acting morally or whether they are merely pursuing raw self interest and aggrandizement of power covered over with moral sounding platitudes we are asking whether our governments actions against AfghanistanIraSyriaETC are morally justified or simply Das Mondlexikon Vom richtigen Zeitpunkt expedient And the burden of proof is always on the moral actor Innocence Protected even upon submitting a course of action to the analytic knife of the Moral Calculus a suspicion continues to haunt any such justified violent action there is no moral compunction to commit any specific act there is not Demand but rather a limitation With something like the Moral Calculus at hand we have some advantage for distinguishing between self defense justified and mere self interest justified or not dependingBeyond the rights of lonely atoms justification of violence becomes by no means straight forward A few of Vollmann s beginning points which should indicate that the Moral Calculus which would justify acts of violence is non The Mammoth Book of Modern Ghost Stories expansive The Empath s Golden Rule Do unto others not only as you would be done by but also as they would be done by In the case of any variance do the generous thing The First Law of Violent Action The inertia of the situation into which we inject ourselves must always be given the benefit of the doubt Look before you leap which can be restated Assume any potential victim of your violence to be as worthy of self preservation as yourself until that assumption has been disproven by the remainder of your moral calculus The Rights of the Self To violently defend itself or not To violently defend another or not To destroy itself or preserve itself To violently destroy another who would be better off dead To violently defend its property or not Violence is Justified 1 In legitimate self defense or the defense of other human beings against imminent physical harm legitimate and imminence both reuire definition 2 In defense of individual rights see above 3 In defense of self respect 4 In construction or maintenance of legitimate institutional authority 5 In obedience to legitimate authority provided only that there is Der SeelenvogelUmarme mich geliebte Seele Sonderausgabe ethical commonality between the giver of the orders and one who is ordered and that the indications in 1 and 2 apply 6 When a number of categories of self defense can be legitimately invoked The conditions in this section satisfied the better 7 In defense of proportionality 8 In imminent defense of freedom of speechConsider the foregoing a rough sketch of the principles from which Vollmann begins his investigations Also note his precaution against justifiability When one commits violence it is likely that it will be unjustified than justified Therefore I would advise that if an act seems by the rules of section 6 When is violence unjustified to be classified as A Light in the Storm the Civil War Diary of Amelia Martin Dear America evil it should be treated as suspect at best On the other hand if the act seems to obey all the rules for justification listed in section 5 When is violence justified from which my Crystal Bone October Girls #1 extracts just above it should be treated as somewhat less suspect At its most noble an act which passes all the tests of section five can only be said to tend toward being justified Since these rules necessarily remain vague and their interpretation open to opinion no one test is sure and 516 the categories of self defense invoked the better should be kept in mind For the Justine ou Les Malheurs de la vertu entire Moral Calculus please see Friend Hadrian again HEREFor the remainder of this review I d like to simply indicate what is contained within the unabridged RURD For despite having been a Vollmanniac for a few years now I had little understanding of what True Betrayals exactly was going on in this most legendary of his books I would like to think that by providing my own version of a table of contents I might The Girl Who Kicked the Hornets Nest by Stieg Larsson | Summary Study Guide entice a few other folks to seek out by hook or by crook an opportunity to visit this book in its seven volume glory The Europeans A Sketch explicitly the kind of thing which only Vollmann does and wherein one will find several of the Vollmann legends fully written up such as the story of his purchaserescue of an underage prostitute in Thailand whereas the first half is the kind of historico Οἰδίπους Τύραννος ethical study which could be taken up by anyone interested in the uestion in generalVolume ITwo introductory pieces Three Meditations on Death and Introduction The Days of the NiblungsDefinitions for Lonely Atoms contains six The Lost Colony essays On the Aesthetics of Weapons On the Morality of Weapons Where Do My Rights End Where Do My Rights Begin Where Do Your Rights Begin Means and EndsJustifications volumes II through IVIn Crenshaw examine when violence may or may not be justified in defense of some principle or interest He Tiger Tiger experience and theory 4 Acknowledge context carefullyRemember the VictimStudies in Conseuences These case studies have a uestionable vague or accidental relationship with the first half of RURD Despite what one may Above It All Eureka Colorado #4 expect Vollmann does not Nicholas Nickleby employ his Moral Calculus to Scandal evaluate the moral actors in these case studies Rather he is seeking to understand what if any moral calculus these moral actors may possess when do they believe violence justified These twelve hundred pages showcase Vollmann The Journalist listening to his subjects and bringing them to voice he is here not the armchair Murder in Containment New Scotland YardDoyle and Acton #4 ethicist whom we saw in the first half of RURD Of all of RURD these two volumes most deserve a second The Soldier's Art edition Southeast Asia 1991 2000 The Skulls on the Shelves Vollmann attempts to contact and interview Pol Pot background to his novel The Butterfly Boy The Last Generation and Kickin It Cambodian American both investigate Cambodian youth gangs in California When is violence justified A When someone fuck us up I m Especially Interested in Young Girls Thailand The legendary story of Vollmann and his friend Ken purchasingrescuing an underage prostitute He still owns her Daddy's Angel even has a receipt from dad But What Are We To Do Burma Bill seeks finds and interviews Khun Sa The Opium King and leader of a Shan separatist movement Yet another piece of geo political history about which I knew nothing Yakuza Lives Japan Are the Yakuza McKettricks of Texas Austin evil Europe 1992 1994 1998Three Killing Yourself to Live: 85% of a True Story essays about former Yugoslavia Included here is the incident which cost the lives of two of Bill s journalist friends with he himself The Dark Descent of Elizabeth Frankenstein escaping by some inexplicable motion of luck Where are All the Pretty Girls The War Never Came Here The Avengers of Kosovo I have never understood what happened in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990 s I am only slightly comforted by the fact the Bill has not been able to make sense of it Nuclear Jellyfish of New Jersey American Chillers either Africa 1993 2001 The Jealous Ones Madagascar Special Tax Republic of Congo Democratic Republic of CongoVollmann says that his portrait of Africa would have looked very different had he been sent to different countries As it is he was sent to these two countries These two The Hapless Harlot essays may be the point at which Bill finds himself most deeply in despair They are harrowing stories The Muslim World 1994 2002 Let Me Know if You re Scared Somalia Vollmann accompanies military on missions to disarm militants and to provide safe passage for humanitarian aid We are soldiers not police The Old Man Malaysia Vollmann tracks down and interviews Hadji Amin leader of PULO Vollmann is the only journalist to have interviewed him Do you know who Hadji Amin or PULO is The Wet Man Is Not Afraid of Rain Ira This is 1998 and the May We Borrow Your Husband? effects of UNUS sanctions would appear to me Das Parfum Die Geschichte eines Mörders eyes to be a war crime With Their Hands on Their Hearts Afghanistan This is 2000 We need Americans to have the love respect and understanding of Islam which Bill has Everybody Likes Americans Yemen September 11 2002 No not many like Americans Given Bill s love for the followers of Islam this is a painful Bits and Pieces of Alaskan History essay In fact it is very important to find out why they hate us but we can only do that if we learn to speak and be heard rather than to continue to shout deafen and kill North America 1988 2000 Laughing At All Her Enemies USA Amerindian suicide You Gotta Be A Hundred Percent Right USA The Guardian Angels a citizen s anti crime patrol organization with no money and which practices citizens arrest Whack Em and Stack Em USA A portrait of Ted Nugent the only celebrity Bill s interviewed Dey Bring Dem Bloodstain Up Here Jamaica Violence in the Kingston ghettos Murder for Sale USA Reluctantly Bill covers the Columbine massacre and then too the NRA convention is in town an Mein Name sei Gantenbein excellent analysis of vultures Guns in the USA Want to know why Vollmann is a gun nut South America 1999 2000 You Never Know Who is Who Columbia Papa s Children ColumbiaThese two The Thrift Book Live Well and Spend Less essays are almost as harrowing and despairing as the two from AfricaPerception and Irrationality Nightmares Prayers and Ecstasies USA Can the irrationality of religion function as a bulwark against the irrationality of violence Bill investigates voodoo hoodoo and santaria Off the Grid USA Right wingers in Idaho and Montana Some despicable creatures here but are they harming anyone Thick Blood Japan The Untouchables desire The Magic School Bus Inside Ralphie A Book About Germs eual rightsShall we characterize Vollmann s journalistic work It is like no other His uestions tend to not receive informative answers He interviews whom we can He reports to us what they say preserving Spider’s Revenge even the broken English of his translators this is the respect for voice which I ve spoken of previously in regard to Fathers and Crows His reports are not definitive characterizations of anything Many Faking Grace essays are merely reports of his failures his difficulties This is humble work It is work which has taken him to places many of us didn t Lord Of The High Lonesome Americana # 34 North Dakota even know Take a Girl Like You existed It is a collection Dead Man Stalking essential for understanding William T VollmannWho should read Rising Up and Rising Down War mongers and peace niks journalists A Copper Mountain Christmas Copper Mountain Christmas #124 ethicists and philosophers CITIZENS politicians goodreaders Vollmanniacs and assorted detritus of societies You Bright and Risen Angels proofing The Solomon Curse editing and perhaps later but isn t this Three by Ati Rahimi enoughAnd as always I d like to thank Friend Brian Dice for making it possible for me to read the Between Silences A Voice from China Phoenix Poets Series entire seven volumes many years before I thought I d have the opportunity Thank you BrianGarth Risk Hallberg on RURD from his Year in Reading reportI did something crazy this year I blew half of a freelancing check on the complete seven volume The Marriage Charm edition of William T Vollmann s 3000 page Four Days essay on violence Rising Up and Rising Down What can I say It was The Great Fear either that or diapers for my children I remain deeply conflicted about my fascination with Vollmann I know there s an obvious case to be made that he s not a good writer I also think he might be a great one To my surprise given its length RURD is one of his carefully crafted books In its learned monomania it reminds me of Burton s Anatomy of Melancholy To a contemporary audience its style of argumentation may feel bizarre I keep thinking of an archaeologist sitting at a table sweeping a pile of sand from one hand to the other waiting for artifacts to The Last of the Red Hot Vampires emerge in the middle But when Vollmann arrives after many divagations at a point you don t feel like you understand you feel like you ve lived it For this reason I cannot imagine the 700 page abridged version making any sense at all And if Violence seems like too broad a subject consider this it s a head fake The Bred by the Dark Lord essay s really about EverythingOr so it seems to me at present I m only two volumes in RURD is destined probably to join The Book of Disuiet and The Arcades Project and The Making of Americans as one of those books I read and read and never finish But I m grateful to the weird pressure of A Year in Reading for giving me the impetus to start

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William T. Vollmann » 2 Characters Download ´ PDF, DOC, TXT, eBook or Kindle ePUB free » William T. Vollmann Rising Up and Rising Down Summary ´ 102 S and has put himself in harms way He has been burned by skinheads nearly frozen to death on the Arctic tundra and almost blown to pieces by a mine in Bosnia which killed two of his friends The history of the world is a history of violence Vollmann looks at violence through the prism of ethics and honestly addresses both its value and waste Rising Up Rising Down is Vollmann's meditation on the age old conundrum when is violence justified Vollmann writes 'My own aim in beginning this book was to create a simple and practical moral calculus. Let me just start by saying that if I were somehow given the authority to make a list of books that people had to read Rising Up and Rising Down would be on that list Now I imagine the majority of people would be angry at me for assigning such an oversized overwrought book but I swear it s worth it Of course that promise doesn t tell you much so I m going to do what I never normally do and summarize a bit Rising Up and Rising Down is really a lot specific than its subtitle would lead you to believe It s an exercise in trying to determine or uncover a moral calculus which would help one decide when it would be appropriate to use violence The assumption other authors might make here would be violence is at least sometimes appropriate But Vollmann isn t content with that low level of rigor he takes it upon himself to prove that complete nonviolence in the style of Gandhi is not the best approach for the everyman Of course it s a pretty inductivespeculative proof consisting basically in saying Gandhi would have been totally screwed had he been facing the Reich instead of the raj Hitler probably would have been okay just killing him and all of his followers But it does make intuitive sense humans certainly aren t hardwired for nonviolence so probably only Gandhi and Jesus and maybe Martin Luther King Jr would have trouble with Vollmann s stance on thisThen he goes on through a series of historical figures and tries to interpret or imagine their moral calculus if they have one The abridgment has pretty substantial sections on Napoleon Julius Caesar Abraham Lincoln which is particularly good the Maruis de Sade and a handful of others I assume the unabridged version has many many This exercise is relatively effective especially for figures closer in history to our own time like Lincoln who actually comes out looking pretty goodAfter that Vollmann brings together his moral calculus which takes the form of an outline giving various defenses and justifications for violence He reminds us that this is only what he s come up with and according to our own beliefs our moral calculus may be and maybe should be different But he s been so reasonable this whole time that it s hard to take any issue with his calculus which I d think would work well for just about any American the degree to which our political systems influence our individual beliefs leads me to think that Vollmann s highly individualistic calculus may not work so well in other countriesEverything after this point could arguably be called a failure as far as what the book s original aim supposedly was What we expect here is Vollmann going from country to country doing case studies basically observing violence and trying to determine whether said violence is justified or not These case studies comprise the bulk of the unabridged version s length whereas they re only a few hundred pages in the abridgment So I feel a little uneasy calling the little piece of them that I saw a failure except for the fact that I absolutely do not mean it in a bad way Here s what I mean by failure Vollmann says early on that he is going to withhold his judgment on whether what he observes is justified or not in favor of letting the reader apply the moral calculus But I suspect the real reason he withholds his judgment in most of these cases is the same reason that I do it s impossible to know enough about what s going on in most of these places to make an informed judgment And as an outsider twice removed I the reader would feel incredibly arrogant were I to make that judgmentIf you went to a country in the guise half truthful I guess of a journalist a country where you suspected a certain group of people were being oppressed how could you find out whether they really were or not First of all it s dangerous where you are for all you know if you go around asking too many uestions you may end up dead You most likely won t be able to distinguish the different ethnic groups creating the tensions so talking to the wrong people could be a problem So you do what Vollmann does and hire a prostitute to be your tour guide But here s the thing who s going to talk to you Whatever they re afraid of is definitely powerful than you the journalist are so what do they stand to gain by telling you about their problems Nothing of course and they have their life to loseThis is basically what seems to happen to Vollmann when he goes to Thailand nobody s willing to tell him the things he most wants to know Sometimes they tell him exactly the opposite which could invalidate the testimonies of the few honest and fearless or stupid people he runs into who do tell him things He wanders around the country on the vaguest of hunches trying to find capital T Truth and failingAnd this by the way is one of the really commendable things about Vollmann There are plenty of people who are willing to go to great and dangerous lengths to find Truth but they usually don t do it without some assurance that Truth will be there at the end waiting for them Vollmann on the other hand is smart enough to be pretty sure he s never going to find Truth but he goes anyway Thus why he sits starving in a foxhole in Sarajevo for weeks getting shot at every time he tries to leave the place and obtaining no greater justification for the violence than a Bosnian s testimony that Serbs are evil The main thing he finds out on his extensive peregrinations is that most of the people who are actively engaged in violence are not exercising a very complex moral calculus But can you blame them Moral calculus is a luxury most of them can t afford And Vollmann being a reasonable guy doesn t blame them eitherSo what these supposed case studies turn out to be is just a series of really heartbreaking vignettes showing poverty violence hatred etc etc ad literal naus Yes Vollmann s motives and his execution are both commendable but is he really helping anyone It seems at least from the abridgment I hate having to keep mentioning that I read the short version but it s necessary that he is not aside from the relief andor vindication people may feel at the fact that an American journalist is taking interest in them to a point where he s willing to brave their conditions So the takeaway point although I m not sure he ever comes right out and says this is that it s really hard to apply your moral calculus to violence that s being perpetrated by others since you can never know all the factors You can only apply it to your own potential acts of violence this is where it s most usefulLong story short and I know I ve been saying this a lot lately but read this book The abridgment seems to be a lot easier to find and cheaper to buy and is plenty long already and nobody except a really hardcore Vollmann fan is going to give you trouble for it And if you like it you ll want to get and read the unabridged version anywayBecause it is big whether you ve got the abridgment or notThere s not much evidence in the book that Vollmann s native female companions in these countries are actually prostitutes but if they were it d be a smart move Who else knows a lot about the country in uestion can go anywhere and talk to anyone and probably won t kill you in your sleepThousands of pages devoted to this stuff in the unabridged version remember


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